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		<title>By: Licensing Photos &#124; Davblog</title>
		<link>http://blog.dave.org.uk/2008/11/selling-photos.html#comment-8774</link>
		<dc:creator>Licensing Photos &#124; Davblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I thought this all sounded very familiar. I wrote something very similar in 2008. Related Posts:&#8220;Selling&#8221; PhotosBalham PhotosMore PhotosTagging PhotosFlickr [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: DrHyde</title>
		<link>http://blog.dave.org.uk/2008/11/selling-photos.html#comment-2497</link>
		<dc:creator>DrHyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t use any of those fancy photo sites, and just have all mine on my own website.  People seem to find them anyway, using google and the like.  It says &quot;If want to use any of these photographs on your web site or elsewhere, please ask&quot; at the top of the index page, with a link to send me email.  That works well enough.  People ask, and all but one has paid my price.  One of these days I&#039;ll be a little photo-whore and put some of them up on the various stock photography sites as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t use any of those fancy photo sites, and just have all mine on my own website.  People seem to find them anyway, using google and the like.  It says &#8220;If want to use any of these photographs on your web site or elsewhere, please ask&#8221; at the top of the index page, with a link to send me email.  That works well enough.  People ask, and all but one has paid my price.  One of these days I&#8217;ll be a little photo-whore and put some of them up on the various stock photography sites as well.</p>
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		<title>By: thegreatgonzo</title>
		<link>http://blog.dave.org.uk/2008/11/selling-photos.html#comment-2496</link>
		<dc:creator>thegreatgonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The great thing about having your flickr photos under a CC license that allows people not to contact you is that systems that seem to be allowed to run without human intervention can do some fun things. For example the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.schmap.com/sheffield/entertainment_livemusic/#r=none&amp;mapview=Map&amp;tab=Places&amp;p=233340&amp;topleft=53.54072,-1.55834&amp;bottomright=53.22741,-1.36539&amp;i=233340_1.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;schmap guide to Sheffield pubs&lt;/a&gt; using one of my pictures &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegreatgonzo/183280049/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that shows quite clearly that it has been knocked down&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great thing about having your flickr photos under a CC license that allows people not to contact you is that systems that seem to be allowed to run without human intervention can do some fun things. For example the <a href="http://www.schmap.com/sheffield/entertainment_livemusic/#r=none&#038;mapview=Map&#038;tab=Places&#038;p=233340&#038;topleft=53.54072,-1.55834&#038;bottomright=53.22741,-1.36539&#038;i=233340_1.jpg" rel="nofollow">schmap guide to Sheffield pubs</a> using one of my pictures <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegreatgonzo/183280049/" rel="nofollow">that shows quite clearly that it has been knocked down</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: noidd</title>
		<link>http://blog.dave.org.uk/2008/11/selling-photos.html#comment-2495</link>
		<dc:creator>noidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More a comment for se71:

&lt;i&gt;If you give away your photos for free, then someone who does take photos for a living is missing out. Should you care about that? I&#039;m not sure.&lt;/i&gt;

Is that something that open source programmers should care about when they write software that directly competes with commercial vendors?

Professional photographers will always have work in the service industry. When people want photographic record or want assured high quality and no doubt about licensing they&#039;ll hire the professionals.

Now stock-footage companies are going to find the future more challenging, but that&#039;s ok.  I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll find a way to add more value.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More a comment for se71:</p>
<p><i>If you give away your photos for free, then someone who does take photos for a living is missing out. Should you care about that? I&#8217;m not sure.</i></p>
<p>Is that something that open source programmers should care about when they write software that directly competes with commercial vendors?</p>
<p>Professional photographers will always have work in the service industry. When people want photographic record or want assured high quality and no doubt about licensing they&#8217;ll hire the professionals.</p>
<p>Now stock-footage companies are going to find the future more challenging, but that&#8217;s ok.  I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll find a way to add more value.</p>
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		<title>By: noidd</title>
		<link>http://blog.dave.org.uk/2008/11/selling-photos.html#comment-2494</link>
		<dc:creator>noidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve used some CC licensed stuff in my TV show.  Example: &lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8096386698676591139&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8096386698676591139&lt;/a&gt;

When I searched I searched for allowing commercial, with attribution CC license. Although my show isn&#039;t commercial, I didn&#039;t want to risk the image authors accusing me of using it commercially when I wasn&#039;t.

Most people think all TV shows are commercial. They&#039;re not. Although in hindsight, I&#039;ve been considering selling DVDs of the show so that decision gave me more future options.

They are fully credited in the end credits.

It never occurred to me to contact the author directly to let them know I&#039;ve used it in much the same way as it doesn&#039;t occur to me to EMail the author of a software package when I choose to deploy that.

Should I?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve used some CC licensed stuff in my TV show.  Example: <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8096386698676591139" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8096386698676591139</a></p>
<p>When I searched I searched for allowing commercial, with attribution CC license. Although my show isn&#8217;t commercial, I didn&#8217;t want to risk the image authors accusing me of using it commercially when I wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Most people think all TV shows are commercial. They&#8217;re not. Although in hindsight, I&#8217;ve been considering selling DVDs of the show so that decision gave me more future options.</p>
<p>They are fully credited in the end credits.</p>
<p>It never occurred to me to contact the author directly to let them know I&#8217;ve used it in much the same way as it doesn&#8217;t occur to me to EMail the author of a software package when I choose to deploy that.</p>
<p>Should I?</p>
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		<title>By: se71</title>
		<link>http://blog.dave.org.uk/2008/11/selling-photos.html#comment-2493</link>
		<dc:creator>se71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have very similar thoughts to you on this. I&#039;d love Time magazine to use one of my photos, and as long as I was consulted and credited, I&#039;d be so chuffed I&#039;d probably gladly let them have it for free.

But there is another other issue to think about with commercial sites/publications.

If you give away your photos for free, then someone who does take photos for a living is missing out. Should you care about that? I&#039;m not sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have very similar thoughts to you on this. I&#8217;d love Time magazine to use one of my photos, and as long as I was consulted and credited, I&#8217;d be so chuffed I&#8217;d probably gladly let them have it for free.</p>
<p>But there is another other issue to think about with commercial sites/publications.</p>
<p>If you give away your photos for free, then someone who does take photos for a living is missing out. Should you care about that? I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Wistow</title>
		<link>http://blog.dave.org.uk/2008/11/selling-photos.html#comment-2492</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Wistow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as I know you don&#039;t have this problem with your code - your CPAN modules are almost certainly being used in somebody&#039;s commercial application somewhere and they haven&#039;t even told you about it (not that they&#039;re required to).

And I&#039;d argue that producing and packaging code is far more of an onerous task than taking a photo (not to denigrate photographers but each individual photo is usually takes significantly less time and effort to produce than a library or application).

So since you&#039;re you&#039;re not bothered by the code, why are you bothered by the photo?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know you don&#8217;t have this problem with your code &#8211; your CPAN modules are almost certainly being used in somebody&#8217;s commercial application somewhere and they haven&#8217;t even told you about it (not that they&#8217;re required to).</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d argue that producing and packaging code is far more of an onerous task than taking a photo (not to denigrate photographers but each individual photo is usually takes significantly less time and effort to produce than a library or application).</p>
<p>So since you&#8217;re you&#8217;re not bothered by the code, why are you bothered by the photo?</p>
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		<title>By: https://me.yahoo.com/a/ciE2O303h..7ORfklow0VuX4xuw-</title>
		<link>http://blog.dave.org.uk/2008/11/selling-photos.html#comment-2491</link>
		<dc:creator>https://me.yahoo.com/a/ciE2O303h..7ORfklow0VuX4xuw-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Dave:

I&#039;m the archaeologist that used your Cahal Pech photos (and very nice they are). And, yep, you&#039;re right; mine is a commercial site and when I look for images I limit my search to those allowing commercial licenses. And it would be great if I could afford to buy photographs--just as it would be great if I could actually make enough money from my writing to support myself and my family.

By making our content available for free (i.e., publishing on the Internet), in one respect, we&#039;ve short-changed ourselves--after all, we could keep our work to ourselves and market to print outlets on a per-pay basis. On the other hand, the Internet has provided us an outlet for getting our work to people to see and read, without requiring us to market to a print medium. A lot more people read us/view our images because we are on the Internet, and, to a large degree, I gotta say that&#039;s worth the trade off. And that does make our portfolios visible.

I can&#039;t make a living simply writing stuff for the Internet, as you can&#039;t make a living by simply posting your pictures on the Internet--there are far too many crap sites that do the same thing for free for even great quality information/photos to be able to charge a fee.

What I do is balance the two--publish on the internet AND market to print publications. I can&#039;t say it&#039;s perfect--frankly there aren&#039;t enough hours in the day--but it does mean I have multiple sources of income.

Best wishes,

Kris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m the archaeologist that used your Cahal Pech photos (and very nice they are). And, yep, you&#8217;re right; mine is a commercial site and when I look for images I limit my search to those allowing commercial licenses. And it would be great if I could afford to buy photographs&#8211;just as it would be great if I could actually make enough money from my writing to support myself and my family.</p>
<p>By making our content available for free (i.e., publishing on the Internet), in one respect, we&#8217;ve short-changed ourselves&#8211;after all, we could keep our work to ourselves and market to print outlets on a per-pay basis. On the other hand, the Internet has provided us an outlet for getting our work to people to see and read, without requiring us to market to a print medium. A lot more people read us/view our images because we are on the Internet, and, to a large degree, I gotta say that&#8217;s worth the trade off. And that does make our portfolios visible.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t make a living simply writing stuff for the Internet, as you can&#8217;t make a living by simply posting your pictures on the Internet&#8211;there are far too many crap sites that do the same thing for free for even great quality information/photos to be able to charge a fee.</p>
<p>What I do is balance the two&#8211;publish on the internet AND market to print publications. I can&#8217;t say it&#8217;s perfect&#8211;frankly there aren&#8217;t enough hours in the day&#8211;but it does mean I have multiple sources of income.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Kris</p>
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		<title>By: James Cridland</title>
		<link>http://blog.dave.org.uk/2008/11/selling-photos.html#comment-2490</link>
		<dc:creator>James Cridland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 12:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;*My* work is *my* work, and if someone wants to use it, license it, then they pay for it. What is this, hippyland?&quot;

Well, that&#039;s fine. My work is my work, and if someone wants to use it, I&#039;ve let them just go ahead and use it in all my Flickr photos. I don&#039;t take photographs for money, I take them for fun.

So far, my photographs have been used in Time magazine, on the front cover of a Ministry of Sound CD, on countless websites including The Australian newspaper, in a few books, and Schmap stuff, yes, too. They&#039;re simply licenced for &quot;/by/&quot; and that&#039;s it. I find that many people have still contacted me to let me know they&#039;re using my photo, and is that all okay with me?

If you&#039;re a professional photographer, of course the world is different. But as a hobby snapper, I&#039;m delighted when people want to use my images. Perhaps, then, the plan is to learn what you want to do for fun, and what you want to do to get paid-for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;*My* work is *my* work, and if someone wants to use it, license it, then they pay for it. What is this, hippyland?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s fine. My work is my work, and if someone wants to use it, I&#8217;ve let them just go ahead and use it in all my Flickr photos. I don&#8217;t take photographs for money, I take them for fun.</p>
<p>So far, my photographs have been used in Time magazine, on the front cover of a Ministry of Sound CD, on countless websites including The Australian newspaper, in a few books, and Schmap stuff, yes, too. They&#8217;re simply licenced for &#8220;/by/&#8221; and that&#8217;s it. I find that many people have still contacted me to let me know they&#8217;re using my photo, and is that all okay with me?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a professional photographer, of course the world is different. But as a hobby snapper, I&#8217;m delighted when people want to use my images. Perhaps, then, the plan is to learn what you want to do for fun, and what you want to do to get paid-for.</p>
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		<title>By: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rgarciasuarez74</title>
		<link>http://blog.dave.org.uk/2008/11/selling-photos.html#comment-2489</link>
		<dc:creator>http://www.flickr.com/photos/rgarciasuarez74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 12:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most of my photos are under Attribution-Share Alike, mostly because that makes them usable by wikipedia and the like. Photos of family and friends are all rights reserved, though. However, now that my photos seem to be a bit more &quot;artistic&quot; that they used to be -- a rather big word, isn&#039;t it -- I think I&#039;ll be gradually moving to a non-commercial CC license.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of my photos are under Attribution-Share Alike, mostly because that makes them usable by wikipedia and the like. Photos of family and friends are all rights reserved, though. However, now that my photos seem to be a bit more &#8220;artistic&#8221; that they used to be &#8212; a rather big word, isn&#8217;t it &#8212; I think I&#8217;ll be gradually moving to a non-commercial CC license.</p>
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